Friday, September 25, 2009

Many of the philosophers we’ve been looking at are highly concerned with reality—Descartes claims we MUST establish a trustworthy concept of what is real and what is not outside of our senses, where a landmark of Hobbes’ philosophy is that we can trust nothing but our senses. Is there, or could there be a philosophy wherein what is “real” is irrelevant? Granted, Harwood’s example of one’s ability to simply kill another without consequence since neither can be definitively real would lead to chaos and a breakdown of society and morals, but there’s evidence that individuals can affect our realities, implying that they’re less static and uncontrollable than the philosophers we’ve looked at might agree to. There’s a film on the philosophy of quantum physics and consciousness called What the Bleep Do We Know? that proposes that consciousness constructs the universe rather than physical objects. It’s admittedly not scientifically proven, but neither are the philosophers we’ve looked at. This suggestion leads to the idea that what is “real” can be affected by individual thought since each individual’s consciousness contributes to that reality. It’s been called “new age” and “pseudoscience,” but has been equally encouraged by neuroscientist, physicists, and a molecular biologist or two. Connections can even be drawn between it and Oprah’s phenomenon “The Secret.” Yes, this idea is followed by many housewives who hope that they can control their weight before the next big PTA meeting and that the universe will send them that Coach bag, but there are vastly more legitimate and applicable understandings of the universe a collective consciousness. My question is not of the validity of this argument, but of its ability to be applied to our investigation of what is “real.” How would the philosophers we’ve studied respond the idea that reality is in our control and that what exists is less relevant. It essentially shatters Descartes’ conceptual look at the existence of God since our ability to affect our own environment removes absolute power from a higher being. Furthermore, it makes his ponderings of what can be known essentially irrelevant. Hobbes, on the other hand, might not have too big of an issue with this concept other than that it exists, to some extent, in la-la land where as Hobbes’ philosophy was very much about reality. I guess what I’m interested to hear are people opinions on whether a philosophy without reality could exist, and how it would affect and be affected by historically impactful philosophers like Descartes, Luther, Hobbes, Locke, etc.

5 comments:

  1. I am glad you brough this point up, because in class, I frequently think about this same question. If this is the only life I can live as a human being, then does it matter if what I experience is "reality"? I may never know the difference between the life I know and what is actually real. I think that these philosophers like Luther, Locke, and Descartes may have a problem with this idea though. All three of these philosophers support the idea of a higher being that controls reality and our world. They would probably disagree with the concept that humans are in complele control of their reality, and that there is nothing beyond our own minds and our experiences.

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  2. It's hard for me to imagine trying to have a philosophy that's based on something other than what I've learned by accumulated experiences in my awake state.. Although my reality is the summation of these experiences I don't feel I have control over my reality at the same time. I think that most of the philosophers we've studies would agree. For example Descartes believes the only experiences we can have come from the senses (even though they could deceive us) and from them we get knowledge - so for Descartes what he himself experienced/knew was his reality. Also Hobbes believed that even though we don't know anything we learn through the senses. So both of these philosophers believed that an individual's reality IS reality, but that individual is not in control of their own reality. Although the philosophers we've studied may disagree on how we learn what our reality is I don't think they believe there could be a philosophy without some sort of reality.

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  3. A philosophy without reality wouldn’t exist by definition. If there is no reality, than the philosophy you speak of wouldn’t be real since nothing could be real. I have seen the movie ‘What the Bleep Do We Know’ and while it raises some interesting points, I don’t think it ultimately provides a better alternative. It touches upon our lack of knowledge about the human brain and how, on the quantum level, there could be many things going on that we don’t understand. Any good scientist will be the first to admit that since science is based on empirical data, and empirical data can be flawed, nothing in sciences is ever “proven” in a logical sense. But over the years, many scientific experiments have been repeated so many times that we have a pretty good sense of how our physical world works, and what kinds of laws govern it. Outside of this “accepted” science there are many theoreticians who play look at possible and probable versions of the way the world works in places where we cannot have exact calculations (like quantum mechanics).
    Also, I would say that Hobbes is one philosopher we’ve read who would agree that some fancy “objective reality” isn’t all that important. For him, experience is all that matters so I think he’d agree with you Jessie since you may never know some objective reality, you should focus on what you can know or experience.

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  4. If a consciousness could construct the physical universe could it also construct history and language? I haven’t seen the movie so I don’t quit follow you 100%. Does the movie say that we can create things without sensing them first? This seems like it is impossible due to the example in class of… try to imagine something that’s never been imagine before. Whatever the thing is, it’s an extension of something you’ve already perceived.
    Also I agree with Ben and what how Hobbes wouldn’t care about some objective reality theory. I like to ground reality the way Hobbes does. In what we see and observe. Even if my mind did create the universe, it’s still reality enough for me.
    I also like what Ben said about Science and how it mimick a Hobbeian world that nothing is proven reality, simply observed.

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  5. The question of whether we can construct something we haven't experienced is really interesting question that I'm not sure I have a valid response to. My slightly imperfect memory alludes me on the explanation of the creation of sensation, but my guess would be that it has something to do with the idea of a collective consciousness, sort of like the collective memory that allows the continuation of language. It could be that static things are created and maintained simply in numbers--once ideas like language are ingrained in a culture, it'd take a lot to alter or change them. Furthermore, perhaps it is the concepts we've experienced, like language and history, that confine our imaginative abilities. It's certainly something to think about that we think in language, which provides a rigidity that could, very possibly, be the reason we're unable to imagine anything that doesn't exist.

    I'm not sure that made perfect sense, but try to work out my brain if you want.

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